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 Posted: Thu Dec 12th, 2013 10:13 pm
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Okay. I ran a test to reconfigure my LAN to the 1.xxx vs. the 0.xxx (changing the third octet from 0 to 1) on my router DCHP settings and now when I enter 192.168.0.1, for the first time I'm correctly taken directly to the HN Modem SCC page. I tried re-leasing for a new IP on another computer on the switch connected to the AE and it too accepted the new IP it was handed and as well resolved as it's supposed to directly to the SCC page.


Now I have to test if I can do the same with my Verizon DSL Modem and move it the same way from the 0.xxx to the 1.xxx subnet. I would like to maintain the same third octet on BOTH physically separated LANS for on-the-fly A/B switching when one ISP goes down I can just switch to the other and all the IP's will still work.

Lastly, if everything above works, as everyone's been telling me I MUST do (I guess I gave in, finally) I have to inventory all my static IP devices and deal with them one by one to make the third octet change on each one. aaaarrrggghhh. This will be the hard part because some of my devices are legacy and very temperamental.


ONCE AGAIN, I thank each and every one of you for your support. I never would have made it this far, and I still have a long way to go, without you!!!!

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John,I'm on my Nook right now so pardon typos and auto corrects
Both of us have known since the begining that:
The modem was not configurable.
It did DHCP with a 5 device limit (from JTs FAQ.)
The RUB is that the modem wants to be part router but only has a single port.
That means if you wish to connect more than a single device, you need to connect a router or a router in switch.
The issue we have seen reported is that the hughes modem is dumber than a box of rocks, when renews DHCP leases or you do a modem reboot it forgets who is who.I think this is why you could find the SCC for a day or two and then POOf.
My netgear is a version 1.You can find a Nergear WNR2000 at Best Buy.com for $45
Remember, you can hook routers as switches to routers for subnets on subnets.
Hughesnet modems have always been at 192.168.0.1People have been networking them since day one.
The trick here is that the AAE has its documentation a secret.
More later if I can get to a computer.

The new wnr2000 is version 3

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I just picked up a Netgear WNR2000 and will start experimenting with it next week.
A million thanks again for your kind support.
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All right John,

When you get it, yell up.

Don't, don't run any software cd.
As a rule 89.652% of the time it causes more problens than it cures.
More in a day or two. One step at a time.

Hope wherever you are, you have a great weekend.

Here in west Michigan.we are slated for 6" more Snow.

Stay in touch !

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Hi Gwalk,
Yes, I hear you loud and clear about running any CD!  Particularly since I'm running all Macs vs. PC's, there's no need, worse, I don't want some installation program making any changes behind the scenes! Been there. Learned the hard way.
At some point, maybe today, or maybe not until next week when I have time I'll try running the Netgear router.
Do you know off the top of your head if our Netgear model supports IPv6 in addition to the old IPv4?  I didn't see it in the specs on the box, but I can look it up.  Just thought you might already know.
I'm used to snow. Went to school in New England. Used to love the stuff. Now getting old and not quite as pleased, LOL.  Hang in there.
All the best,
John

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Good Morning John.
Look at the label on the Netgear, it should list rev/ver #
Then go here:
http://downloadcenter.netgear.com/
As you type in WNR2000 a dropdown will appear for ver. 1,2,3,4 and select the one appropriate for yours.
That will give you the most up to date info & manual.
Mine is a version 1, no IPv6. Shouldn't be a problem considering the age range you stated for much of your equipment.
Do you have a laptop ?
If so I suggest taking the Netgear to the "work bench" and with no internet connection hardwire the Laptop to the Netgear and open it "internal pages" and familiarize yourself with the layout & features.


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Gwalk,

Okay.  All good advice.

I know I have IPv6 on my AE, which may be the only reason it "is" working, being that the modem and the LAN are on the same subnet!  There are however issues, and will bench test the new router.

John

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John,
I'm looking at the Ver4 manual.
The default address of the Netgear Router is 192.168.1.1
It appears V.4 does indeed handle IPv6 addressing as depicted in the snip from the manual.


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Gwalk,

Interesting.  I've only got v3 firmware. Guess I could upgrade later if needed. I assume you did the upgrade. There is no documentation anywhere on the Netgear site if v3 has IPv6 and it may not even matter, we'll see.

Question, I'm definitely not using the "Genie Setup thing" and will do a "manual" setup myself. There is a choice however I see in the documentation within the "manual" setup to choose using the setup "Wizard" or "I want to configure myself."  Do you remember which one of these you did?

John 

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John,
Look at the VERSION as being Device Generation 1,2,3, or 4.
Firmware version are a recoding of the routers internal BIOS chip.
those are going to be listed like: 1.0.0.30,  1.0.0.40
so you will have to read your label on the bottom of router.


I found this in the back of the V4 manual


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John wrote: Gwalk,

Interesting.  I've only got v3 firmware. Guess I could upgrade later if needed. I assume you did the upgrade. There is no documentation anywhere on the Netgear site if v3 has IPv6 and it may not even matter, we'll see.

Question, I'm definitely not using the "Genie Setup thing" and will do a "manual" setup myself. There is a choice however I see in the documentation within the "manual" setup to choose using the setup "Wizard" or "I want to configure myself."  Do you remember which one of these you did?

John 

The interface is a little differant from mine, but I did a "manual"
That is why I suggested going off to the side with just a unconnected computer (laptop ?) And the Netgear router. Run a cable from the computer to one of the routers LAN ports, power it up.Then open a browser and enter 192.168.1.1That should be the default address of the router.There at the start is where you can change the default username and password for access to the router.You then can look around at the various internal function screens and view the options.
After that, I would disconnect the cable from the back of the Hughes HT1100, leaving your present network intact and run a cable from HT1100-to-Netgear WAN port & Netgear LAN port-to-Laptop.
Then open a browser, enter 192.168.1.1 should see Netgear Routers login page.
Then open a tab on the browser, enter 192.168.0.1 should see HT1100's SCC.
Then do the Mac equiv. of IPCONFIG /ALLRecord those values.

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Hi Gwalk,

All good. Not sure when I'll get to it, but I understand what you are saying.

For that matter, I could simply use a cross-over cable, or just plug in the router and a laptop to a hub or switch, just to look around the router settings.

As always, I much appreciate all of your support, and the support from the Shack.

John
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Please, no crossovers, we want to see what things look like at the default values.

No running of setups, no wizards, just a plain two step process.

Step #1.
A regular cat5 cable between A otherwise unconnected computer and the netgear router.
Open a browser, enter the routers expected " home" address.

Step #2
Regular setup (without any connection to your established network)
Regular cat5 cable from ht1100 output, to the netgears WAN port, and the same as we had in step #1, computer to one of the netgears LAN ports.
And verify the expected results.

I wish to do a "network" in microcosim ( sorry for typos, on the Nook) and verify.

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Okay. Got it. You're right.  

Will report back.

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Hi Gwalk,

Well, after fooling around with my AE I actually resolved the settings and was able to create a new LAN scheme on 192.168.1.xxx, thus allowing the HN Modem to have it's way with it's default IP address of 192.168.0.1.

I'm getting phenomemal WiFi speeds according to bandwidth testing, so for the moment I'm just going to leave it alone. I'm keeping the new Netgear modem for possible future experimentation, but for now things are working as they should.

Next issue is slight "latency" with HN system, but from what I'm reading this is normal.

Oh well.

I just wanted to thank you for so much help and support. You and everyone at the Shack are to be commended for everything you did to help me through all this.

John
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Hi John,
I had wonder where you had been. I didn't want to bug you.
The Netgear for the money isn't a bad thing to have around for comparison and expansion purposes.

I was was wondering if I was going to have to get my 6 pound 4" thick networking reference manual out.howho+

On the delay, have you tried to use the default Hughes DNS servers ? If I use "others" I also will get a momentary "hitch"

You do have to remember the increased ping (latency) with a satellite connection as you have the added distance from your transmitter to the Sat, back down to the Hughes NOC and the same return path for your data responce.

Echostar17 is 22,300 miles up x 4 for a round trip at a speed 186,000 miles per second..
Compare that to the signal travel times for a ground based system.

At any rate I'm glad to hear its working for you. If every you need any help, you know where we are or just to come back and visit.
 

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Again, a million thanks.

John

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Gwalk,

Wow, you really know your stuff about satellites. This is all new to me.

How many HN satellites are there?

Does each user use just one satellite forever, or does the signal "hand off" from one satellite to another the way cell phones do? Just curious. You probably know the answer. 

John 

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John,

Satellites are in assigned orbital slots spaced about 2 degrees apart.
The Hughes 6000 & 7000 Ku band systems operate from about 12 satellites using transponders that Hughes leases from the sat owners.

Hughes does own outright two Sats:

Spaceway3 located a 95'W. and supplies service to 9000 systems and the Hughes "wannbe" almost Gen4 Connect and Connect Pro plans offering the infamous 5 Mbps "up to" speeds.

The other is Echostar17 located at 107.3' W. and provides all true Gen4 service.

Echostar17 & Spaceway3 satellites are both Ka band and as such users must be located with the "footprint" of one of the birds "beams" whereas the older birds require only clear line of sight.

As a rule of thumb a satellite has a useful lifespan of 15 years.
As you might imagine a Sat + the required ground facilities represent a considerable investment.

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Gwalk,

Amazing. How in the world do you know all this?

I think you said you're on the new HughesNetGet4 system, as I am, so therefore we must both be using the new Echostar 17 satellite exclusively? 

I'm located in Ocean City, NJ.

John 

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